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wazz · Jan 04, 2008, 09:35 AM // 09:35

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

ask [SMS] :P

You mean that because 1 guild/allaince knows how to use paragons, everyone should be nerfed ?

It shouldn't be nerfed for that reason, I'm pretty sure that with a decent buildsetup you could do high-end pve with an all out [insert proffesion here] team.

People who like pve skills aren't noobs, worthless in pve etc etc.
No, they are just people who don't have an entire guild, allaince and friendlist who can help em out nor the money to get all there heros fully runed up nor each skill in the entire game unlocked.

For the ones who disagree, try joining a less 'elite' guild for a week or 2.

Avarre · Jan 05, 2008, 12:00 PM // 12:00

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Originally Posted by wazz

People who like pve skills aren't noobs, worthless in pve etc etc.
No, they are just people who don't have an entire guild, allaince and friendlist who can help em out nor the money to get all there heros fully runed up nor each skill in the entire game unlocked.

For the ones who disagree, try joining a less 'elite' guild for a week or 2.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Hey guys, the game is meant to reward skill.

If you're bad, you shouldn't be able to complete every area of the game.

This is called creating a reason to improve, and justifying skill over time.

Guild Wars is pretty boring when you can win without caring.

wazz · Jan 05, 2008, 07:04 PM // 19:04

YhI know I repeat myself alot...

But since when does not having unlocked all skills fall under being bad ?
Or since when does having a guild/allaince able to help you at fall under rewarding skill ?
etc etc

Avarre · Jan 06, 2008, 03:07 AM // 03:07

You don't need every skill unlocked, each profession has a small number of skills that are actually good. Knowing which skills are good is part of understanding the game, and keeps you from making really bad builds. Having the useful class skills unlocked, in PvE, is unfortunately a grind in the game that is necessary to be 'skilled', but you should have the ability to do it after playing through the standard content.

Your connections are as valuable as your skill. That said, even if you have a 'less elite' guild, you can work to become better. Or you can try to develop a friends list - the same process new HA players often have to go through.

Tyla · Jan 06, 2008, 05:08 AM // 05:08

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Originally Posted by Avarre

You don't need every skill unlocked, each profession has a small number of skills that are actually good.

QFT.
Need more viable skills.

Terraban · Jan 06, 2008, 06:44 AM // 06:44

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

QFT.
Need more viable skills.

[skill]Ether Renewal[/skill]
Come on dude...nuff said

angmar_nite · Jan 06, 2008, 01:16 PM // 13:16

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Originally Posted by wazz

You mean that because 1 guild/allaince knows how to use paragons, everyone should be nerfed? 2.

Or try every elite pve guild. Full alliance group took down gate of madness in 25 minutes flat. Deeped in a little over an hour. SNOW, TAM, ARA, Eotl, agro, and others in my alliance, but I know of LaZY accomplishing similar feats.

Icey · Jan 10, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

They SERIOUSLY need to change some armor sets to include pants for male paragons. I don't like the skirts on males.

Tyla · Jan 10, 2008, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Icey

They SERIOUSLY need to change some armor sets to include pants for male paragons. I don't like the skirts on males.

Then use a Female Paragon?

This is the second thread you said that in

On topic: Yup, they are my second favourite profession, next to ranger! And they make me feel dirty because they own SO much!

zling · Jan 22, 2008, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by Toxage

You already said it but bonders have many weaknesses. Enchantments can be stripped. The bonder can be interupts, dazed, knocked down etc etc Paragons shouts can't be removed, and the paragon is attacking adding dps as well as reduction.

those are correct only if the Bonder is totaly clueless...
playing a Bonder is 1 of the most boring builds to play, along with Orders Necro, BiP Necro and maybe some others.
a good Bonder stays way out of aggro range, just in range for the bonds not to cancel. thus completely invading combat.
so the only thing that will actually work is enchantment stripping, but than both Life Bond and Life Barrier dont have such massive recharge times, and everyone will have enough enchantments on them anyway. 2 from the Bonder more from the other Monk(s), some from themselves(like Dervishes, Sins, mending whammos

etc) so unless you run into a necro mob all with Chilblains or tons of sins with Shattering Assault enchantment stripping shouldnt be such an issue...

as for the Paragorn. it is very overpowered in PvE if you use the standard:
Focused Anger
TnTF
SY
AR
but than who is forcing you to play that? there are enough other working paragorn builds out there... dont force yourself into this 1 greatly overpowered build...

Toxage · Apr 17, 2008, 11:17 PM // 23:17

AH! I can't believe I created the "Godmode" build! =*(

Now everyone is using it....

Kaida the Heartless · Apr 17, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

I've been debating on rather or not I want to invest my time into a Paragon. I like the idea of being able to provide epic defense to my group but I'm afraid that when I finally devote my time and money into that character, the build is going to get nerfed.

:/

angmar_nite · Apr 19, 2008, 06:56 AM // 06:56

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Originally Posted by Toxage

AH! I can't believe I created the "Godmode" build! =*(

Now everyone is using it....

PRETTY SURE you didn't...

Abedeus · Apr 19, 2008, 06:59 AM // 06:59

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Originally Posted by Toxage

AH! I can't believe I created the "Godmode" build! =*(

Now everyone is using it....

Who the hell are you? There is no proof you created imbagons. You could try to say that you created Sabway ;o Easier lie.

Oh, and sometimes I feel like cheating when using SY. I mean, my party gets attacked by 3 meteor showers and except for getting knocked down few times, 5-20 dmg tops.

Tyla · Apr 19, 2008, 01:16 PM // 13:16

Meh, Paragons are still stupid powerful. Even without PvE skills.

Armond · Apr 20, 2008, 10:21 PM // 22:21

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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

I've been debating on rather or not I want to invest my time into a Paragon. I like the idea of being able to provide epic defense to my group but I'm afraid that when I finally devote my time and money into that character, the build is going to get nerfed.

:/

This is ANet we're talking about, though. TNTF took a very small hit back in the day, when anyone could have clearly seen that it was still stupid powerful. SY's never been touched, and the build's been known for forever.

If they've still not done anything to ursans, they're not going to do anything to imbagons.

kostolomac · Apr 21, 2008, 11:17 PM // 23:17

It's just ONE damn build , and some people want to nerf an already nerfed to hell proffession. If someone doesn't like imbagons , don't play them , just like ursan. There are many overpowered builds and skills in the game besides the imbagon.

ScythXIII · Apr 21, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

It's just ONE damn build , and some people want to nerf an already nerfed to hell proffession. If someone doesn't like imbagons , don't play them , just like ursan. There are many overpowered builds and skills in the game besides the imbagon.

I'll trade a nerf to Imbagons if they buff Motivation... <_<

*Sneaks away before being killed*

Armond · Apr 22, 2008, 12:04 AM // 00:04

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

It's just ONE damn build , and some people want to nerf an already nerfed to hell proffession. If someone doesn't like imbagons , don't play them , just like ursan. There are many overpowered builds and skills in the game besides the imbagon.

Sounds a lot like ritspike. Or SoGM bug-way. Or pre-nerf thumpway. Or...

There's a concept here that I don't think you get. Just because something's nerfed doesn't make it bad.

Fishmonger · Apr 22, 2008, 01:58 AM // 01:58

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Originally Posted by ScythXIII

I'll trade a nerf to Imbagons if they buff Motivation... <_<

*Sneaks away before being killed*

QFT. Command is fairly decent (albeit [skill]"Incoming!"[/skill], but motivation has been the target of so many pvp based nerfs it's sad. I mean, let's take for instance the most recent nerf. [skill]Song Of Restoration[/skill] and [skill]Ballad Of Restoration[/skill] why even bother taking these on a 30s CD?